Andrew has 2 A+++++ books on these 2 topics. Have you read PTD or Reverse Meditations yet?
Highly recommend RM for working with fear and other strong emotions.
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I hadn’t heard about this. Resonates with some ideas though in Christian theology about continual creation. The thought that God didn’t just create the universe and leave it to run on its own like a mechanical clock. God instead is always actively involved in the process of renewing and creating experience at every moment.
If you had to give this intelligence a name, what would it be?
Nope. I plan on joining the book club though which is going through PTD at the moment. I mean to pick up the books at some point. Can’t right now though.
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Ordered a book on Liminal Dreaming by Jennifer Dumprey. I think I might try using liminal dreaming as my way in. As she says, liminal dreaming is the “training wheels” for lucid dreaming.
Also got a book by Ryan Hurd about sleep paralysis. I’ve always been terrified of that state. Used to experience it often. Stopped sleeping on my back though and it went away. Now I think it’s time to face that fear. Some chapters in the book talk about ways to induce the sleep paralysis state.
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Not sure at all, but I like how you referred to it above with God being ever present after creation.
It would make sense that an infinite presence would not just disappear 
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Would start with the RM book, shorter read and he goes into deapth about fear practices.
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will tag you in the liminal thread
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Tried liminal dreaming last night. Had a hard time bringing awareness to the in between period. It feels like either I’m wide awake or I’m not. It’s possible I might have experienced the first level of liminality with free association thinking- but nothing beyond that.
I like AH’s suggestion of working with liminality when falling asleep during meditation. I often have that experience. I’ll work with that if it ever comes up.
Maybe starting a napping habit would help too.
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Getting exhaustedly tired by doing something that leaves you ready for sleep/rest, but using that to glide into liminality seems to help me. At least it did yesterday!
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Will have to think about that, not sure I have anything in my life that leaves me that exhausted.
Had a liminal experience during meditation today. It was definitely the space of associative thinking, one of which I clearly remember:
“It was only two pints of coffee but it made me see God.”
Reminds me of an episode I watched once on Let’s Talk Religion about the mystical roots of coffee and how Sufi orders helped spread the drink around the world.
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Great advice.
The monks used to use sleep deprivation techinques for LDs I think. Dont reccomened it, but worth noting the deprived state seems to ripen the opportunities for dream work.
This is what accidentily precipitated my first LD on this site after 90+ days of heavy practices.
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Aim for the wide awake side of things, clear your mind of thought the best you can, stay still and wait. Even though it can be frustrating I’ve come to like the times I am laying still in bed for hours at a time because I know my body is working on produckng a powerful dream state. Waiting out the body results in lucidity for me, usually in the form of a WILD.
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Liminal Dreaming: Exploring Consciousness at the Edge of Sleep came much earlier than expected. I only had to wait a day. Estimated delivery time put the delivery date in March. Taking this as a sign.
My current practice:
Daytime: illusory form
Nighttime: dream journaling, memory exercise to increase dream recall, exploring liminal dreaming
I’ll throw a status check in every once in a while when something anomalous pops up, but right now LD isn’t my focus. I’ll build a solid foundation for it first.
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I always thought Salvador Dali had an interesting way to explore these spaces:
‘Salvador Dali explored liminal states by using a method where he would hold a key over a plate while he dozed off in a chair. As he fell asleep, the key would slip from his fingers, clang onto the plate, and wake him up. This allowed Dali to capture the vivid, surreal images and ideas from the hypnagogic state—the threshold between wakefulness and sleep—for his creative work.’
Could work well for any one who falls asleep easily.
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Some success with staying in hypnopompia after waking up. Still finding it hard to access hypnogogia. Interestingly though my experience is not the kaleidoscope of whirling thoughts and images Dumpert describes. For me it’s mostly contentless. A stray thought will enter every now and then but that’s about it. I know I’m in the state because I experienced myoclonic jerks.
Hypnogogia is more accessible to me right now during the day when I try to take a nap or I am meditating. Especially when I am meditating. And my experience of it is much more in line with Dumpert’s description of the state. A free wheeling parade of thoughts. Unlike my experience of hypnopompia so far.
I’m making progress.
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Try reading a vivid fiction novel before bed, sometimes that helps the visualizations take form faster.
Had success with a brief ‘lucid liminal dream’ last night, woke when realized it had turned into a dreamlet.
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My 
glasses came. They are fun. I like to think they allow me to see rainbow bodies, cuz that’s kinda what it looks like.
Having some success with hypnogogia. Haven’t experienced anything beyond the first level though. I found a voice activation recording option on my recorder, so I’ve been using that to record my liminal thoughts as per Jennifer Dumpert’s recommendation. Nothing profound, just silly stuff like a dwarf holding a short sword and waddling quickly forward like a penguin. Or a car that dives into the ground trailing rainbows.
I like the voice activation because now I don’t have to move when recording my REM dreams either. Sometimes even the act of moving drives the memory of the dream out.
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Having good luck with exploring hypnagogia during afternoon naps. Only thing is I keep forgetting to charge my voice recorder after I use it during the night, so it’s always out of charge when I want to use it for naps. Gotta remember to do that. Lot of interesting imagery coming up.
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Very cool to see you are seeing results from working that mind muscle. Keep up the great work!
Last night I think I came close to having a WILD, but my body ‘spooked’ when the falling sensation set in, and it jolted me awake.
Also had 2 dreams about Andrews, will post about later. This is very anomalous. Have only had 1 previous dream about him about a year ago.
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Had one myself last week. You go first . . .
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Lol, no you go first. 
I cant always be the trail blazer 
I should be able to post mine later tonight or tomorrow night. I am going to post it in @BlessingsDeers thread, where she talks about her awesome dream about Andrew.
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