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exactly…
this is inspiring me to find my own definition of Lucid Dreaming… because for me, LD is about being a receptacle for the truth to come in - in daytime through intuition (I believe that practicing intuition regularly has a very strong impact in my LD), in the night, through dreams. I don’t feel I control anything, what I “do” is being open and allow it all to happen. It comes from the heart’s wish to evolve and understand life. it’s also about understanding the nature of reality and expanding our consciousness. It’s also a faithful expression of our deepest potential - human and divine.

Today I had the idea of going back to the original text that inspired all this…

“The Gilgamesh Cantata
Curtiss Hoffman
Ashland, MA, USA
Classical music has been an important part of my waking life from childhood onwards. I played clarinet in ensembles through college, and I’ve gathered a large collection of recordings. Over the past 5 years, I’ve taken up an early instrument, the crumhorn. In addition, music plays an important role in my dream life.
Musical themes appear in over 200 of my dreams – 2.2% – either as specifically identified pieces of (mostly) classical music or in the form of background music or musical instruments. Generally speaking, the music in my dreams has the role of setting the emotional tone of the dream, though
sometimes specific pieces act as symbolic tokens in a more abstract sense.
During the summer of 2010, I read Jung’s Red Book, and it had a profound effect upon my consciousness. Themes from the book frequently appeared in my dreams and waking synchronous experience, in the former case often prior to my reading them. The “biggest” dream in this series concerned my observation of a group of choristers performing a cappella cantata based upon texts from the Red Book.
Upon awakening, I realized that the texts derived from the “Incantations” section of the book, in which Jung presents a series of prayers within his dreaming which were directed to the Babylonian hero Gilgamesh, whom he had previously in the dream mortally wounded and saved by collapsing him to miniscule size and placing him within an egg, which he brought to a village for incubation.
Subsequent dreaming has made it clear to me that I am being asked to compose this cantata out of themes my dreaming presents to me. While I have no formal training in musical composition, I have agreed to undertake this project. The first stage has been to translate the words of
the incantations from German into Akkadian, the actual language of the Gilgamesh epic. My training in ancient Near Eastern languages has made it possible for me to accomplish this. Next, specific themes associated with portions of the “Incantations” section are being applied to the text,
but only if they emerge from my dreaming. I will share my experience in this paper. This is a work in progress, with no definite completion date envisioned as yet!”

Source:
International Journal of Dream Research Volume 4, Supplement 1 (2011)
S55 influencia de ambiente nos sonhos - dalai lama.pdf (433.1 KB)

In this gather of articles, there is a very interesting reference about the importance of the context around us in our dreams - page S55, “one teen, who has been raised in a spiritual community and exposed to a variety of spiritual teachings, may dream of receiving teaching from the Dalai Lama.”.

There is also a very interesting text “What Happens When Choirs Dream Together?
Orchestrating Dreaming in Groups” at page S56 :heart_eyes:

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I have decided to contact directly Dr. Curtiss Hoffman and he just replied:
“Thanks for your inquiry. In the Red Book, Jung claimed that these were in fact dreams, from 3 successive nights. I think we have to trust that he knew the difference, rather than second-guessing him on the basis of content. It is certainly not out of the question for this kind of dream continuity to happen - I’ve experienced it myself, though not at such great length or detail.”

:brown_heart:

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Interesting. I had been under the impression that the content of the Red Book was not from night-time dreams, but from his active imagination in a waking state (or perhaps semi-awake hypnogogic state?)

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yes, this is the overall content, and it seems that there are some exceptions…

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@fenwizard check it out again… do you have the Red Book?
it also seems that Jung really did not like the aspect of lucid dreaming being a dream that can be controlled…

Jung on What Dreams Want to Say

“Dreams are neither deliberate nor arbitrary fabrications; they are natural phenomena which are nothing other than what they pretend to be. They do not deceive, they do not lie, they do not distort or disguise. … They are invariably seeking to express something that the ego does not know and does not understand.”

  • C.G. Jung, “Analytical Psychology and Education,” CW 17, par. 189.]

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Photo: A Specter of the Brocken. In Memories, Dreams, Reflections, Jung recounted an early dream that led him to reflect on the relations between two distinct personalities he found in conflict within himself. In the dream he is carrying a little storm lantern on a wild night, pursued by a terrifying giant black figure. “When I awoke, I realized at once that the figure was a ‘specter of the Brocken,’ my own shadow on the swirling mists, brought into being by the little light I was carrying.”

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@NightHawk999 check out how many times serpent appears in these two pages… :cowboy_hat_face:

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BlessigsDeers. Yes, I do have a copy of the Red Book although it’s been years since I read it. I will have to go back and look at this.

And yes, as someone who comes out of a Jungian tradition I believe that dreams and spontaneous inner imagery (such as active imagination) convey important messages and meaning for us in our spiritual journey. Therefore I am reluctant to arbitrarily try to change the images in lucid dreaming. This is different than the Buddhist approach which seems less interested in symbolic meaning and more interested in just using this as a tool to teach that it’s all illusion. As someone who has been interested in both the depth psychology tradition and have also practiced Buddhist meditation for many years I have arrived at my own synthesis. My perspective is that it is indeed all an illusory dream but the dream exists to teach us and help us grow into higher states and stages of consciousness.

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thank you for sharing this nectar with us here.
It happens so many times with me that - in the dream all is flowing, simple and natural, and when I come back to this dream here, I receive SO MANY insights… through just registering the dreams and/or sharing them with other people.

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Here is an example of a lucid dream that I had several years ago and how I used a sort of Jungian active imagination approach with it. I think that the dream taught me something about the nature of this “reality” that we find ourselves in.

In the dream I was sitting in a waiting room, like the waiting room of a doctor’s office. I suddenly became aware that this was a dream. There was a guy waiting in a chair across from me so I decided to go over and talk with him to find out more about this waiting area. I introduced myself to him and asked him “So, what is this waiting room about?”
“This is the waiting room for soul’s who want to be born on earth!”
“So why do you want to be born on earth, of all places?” I ask.
“Because it’s the greatest University in the Universe!” he said.
Upon awakening and reflecting more on this I really appreciated this teaching. It seems to me that we are not just here because of an unconscious karma or chain of automatic causal factors (although there may be karmic factors involved), but also because we chose to come to this place of learning! And we are among some of the lucky souls who were accepted into this very advanced University!

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And . . . I don’t get this level of lucidity in dreams that often. Still working on that class, I guess. :joy:

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a mazing!.. hihihi

some years ago, one lucid dream could be with a person for the rest of his/her life… now we have lucid dreams every month! (at least) constantly receiving information, insights and so much GOLD… MG… How Blessed we are!..

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I just spotted another reference to dreams (note 111):

the Red book note 111
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The conversation with Curtiss and my other two friends goes on.

@fenwizard Curtiss’s reply:

“The Ur-Text on pp. 41ff., in German, clearly identifies these as night-experiences - the first encounter with Izdubar/Gilgamesh takes place “Am erste Nacht” - on the first night. So I am inclined to believe that they are, indeed, dream experiences. If one conditions oneself to dream recall, one can report very lengthy dream texts. I consider it to be presumptuous to conclude that they “are nothing like dreams.” I do find it curious, however, that - if this was a psychic encounter with the actual Sumerian hero - why he failed to inform Jung that his name was being misread from the original three Sumerian characters. It was not until about 10 years after Jung’s experiences that R. Campbell Thompson correctly parsed the Sumerograms as reading gish-bilga-mash, meaning, more or less, “heroic ancestor” but with an initial determinative indicating that he is made of wood! However, the wood ideogram (what Jung thought was “Iz”) derives from an ideogram of a phallus (cf. the djed pillar in ancient Egypt).”

If you find out anything in your Red Book, please let us know :pray:t3:

in the mean time I am in awe with the contents of the two pages of the Red Book that I shared here… :heart_eyes:

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The Dalai Lama on “Blessing”:
“Let me begin by explaining what we mean by blessing when we talk about a lama’s blessing or the blessing of the Dharma in the Buddhist context.
Blessing must come from within your own mind.
It is not something that comes from outside, even though we talk about a lama’s blessing or the blessing of the Three Objects of Refuge.

When the positive qualities of your mind increase and negativities decrease, that is what blessing means.
The Tibetan word for blessing is [byin rlab, pronounced “chin-lap”] can be broken into two parts — byin means “magnificent potential” and rlah means “to transform.” So byin rlab means transforming into magnificent potential.
Therefore, blessing refers to the development of virtuous qualities that you did not previously have and the improvement of those good qualities that you have already developed. It also means decrement of defilement of the mind that obstruct the generation of wholesome qualities.

So actual blessing is received when the mind’s virtuous attributes gain strength and its defective characteristics weaken or deteriorate.”

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:heart_eyes:
:pray:t3:
:rose:

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The denial of death is healthy?
Something in us intuitively knows that we are eternal consciousness and that the river flows on.

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A good basic understanding of the Advaita Vedanta view of God (Brahman) and Universe. He’s good at relating this to quantum theory about how particles arise from “nothing.” He equates this “Nothing” to “God”, so also some similarities to the Buddhist view that it all arises from emptiness.

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“wisdom without compassion is cold knowledge, and compassion without wisdom is misguided sympathy”

Compassion and Wisdom

The human heart is basically very compassionate, but without wisdom, compassion will not work. Wisdom is the openness that lets us see what is essential and most effective.

Compassion and Wisdom.

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LOVE this!

A Catholic Lady, when I asked her about where intuition and Siddhis come from, told me that people are like vessels, and can be filled with more and more Holy Spirit, which contributes to this.

I imagine this filling doesn’t happed from the outside in, but is like a digging a Spring, with enough labor and (inward digging) eventually you hit and will be flooded with Holy Water.

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Deeper Well
by Emmylou Harris

The sun burned hot, it burned my eyes
Burned so hot I thought I’d died
Thought I’d died and gone to hell
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

I went to the river but the river was dry
I fell to my knees and I looked to the sky
Looked to the sky and the spring rain fell
I saw the water from a deeper well

Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well
Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

I was ready for love, I was ready for the money
Ready for the blood and ready for the honey
Ready for the winnin’, ready for the bell
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

I found some love and I found some money
Found that blood would drip from the honey
Found I had a thirst that I could not quell
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well
Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

Well, I did it for kicks and I did it for hate
I did it for lust and I did it for faith
Did it for need and I did it for love
Addiction stayed on tight like a glove

So I ran with the moon and I ran with the night
And the three of us were a terrible sight
Nipple to the bottle, to the gun, to the cell
To the bottom of a hole of a deeper well

Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well
Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

I rocked with the cradle and I rolled with the rage
I shook those walls and I rattled that cage
Took my trouble down a dead end trail
Reachin’ out a hand for a holier grail

Hey there, mama, did you carry that load
Did you tell your baby 'bout the bend in the road
'Bout the rebel yell, ‘bout the one that fell
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well

Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well
Well
Lookin’ for the water from a deeper well.

I drank the water from a deeper well.

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Latin: “Nihil est in visionibus somniorum quod non prius fureit in visu”

There is nothing in the visions of dreams that did not first rage in the vision.

Would love to have your comments on this…

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