Article about psychedelics and dreams

Here are a few of my thoughts and feedback, for whatever it’s worth:
I’d recommend putting on headphones with gentle music that you like. It’s best to use music that is instrumental or without English words that will lead your mind in any particular direction. When I did a ketamine lozange a few months ago I used mantra music. I know someone else who listened to Pachelbell’s Canon on repeat. That way you won’t be distracted by noise in your environment. You can also find music for Ketamine (or other kinds of psychedelics) on Spotify. I don’t think you need to worry about ODing on one ketamine lozange. I know someone who sucks on 3 lozanges at a time and does this once a month to keep her depression in check. If you want to remember the experience and integrate whatever it is showing you, then I wouldn’t take it at bedtime when tired and then go right to sleep. You are likely to have forgotten much of the experience by morning. I like to journal right after psychedelic experiences (or even during the experience if I am in a state where I can write.) Just my thoughts on this but you will find the right way for you.

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Well understood already :slight_smile:

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Wishing you the best in your healing and dreaming journey!

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LOL That was really funny :sweat_smile: :joy: :rofl:

Touche.

Appreciate you letting me know about this. Silicone ear putty plugs might help in the future if other noises are an issue too.

Smart thinking. 20-30 min of yoga streches might help too before the meditation.

Not sure how quickly it takes to develop a tolerance to it, but if you are looking for more potent effects on small dosages, might be a good idea to space the trips out over a few days.

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Glad you let me know this. I have noticed a similar phenomena on medium and higher dosages of Psilocybin. Not fearing stopping breathing, but my breath shifted in a strange way, like my body wasnt getting enough air. I think if I did not have a foundation of meditation under my belt, those sensatioms would have been really off putting, or even terrifying.

This is something I worried about too. How long that mental fog stays with you, and how high of a level your mind can function the subsequent days.

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I think age plays a role, but I forgot why.

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In my limited experience with ketamine, I felt no effects the following day. You may feel a slight buzz for a few hours after the trip. I’ve seen youtube videos suggesting that you can do it on your lunch hour and then go back to work. I wouldn’t suggest that! But the next day should be fine. At least in terms of my own experience and the experience of others that I know who have done it.

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lol, I am ok with that :slightly_smiling_face:

Me either, definitely not ok with that!

This is one of the bigger downsides of drug legalization in my mind, the roads and driving on them will continue to become and an increasing death trap.

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They recommend spacing them out at least every other day, or twice a week. So far I’ve done once a week and that has been a good “distance” between them. I can’t imagine doing it more than twice a week.

As far as the noise, as long as I do it after dark, where I live there isn’t any other real noise to worry about. I take the ear buds out at times and it is fine. I don’t live in a city, but if I did, ear plugs would be a must.

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In general I haven’t (and wouldn’t) do it on a day I had anything to do, at least anything serious, the following day. Even though I only had the grogginess the one time, I would want that extra time-space to just process and let it sink in more.

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Great that you space it out. Ketamine can be addictive for some folks, so good not to do it more often than needed to keep depression at bay.

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I really respect Dr. Mark Siegals medical advice, he is very smart. He mentions in the video Ketamine can manipulate heart rate and breathing.

I dont think this dearh is a cause for alarm, MP it appears was abusing the drug, and doing things he wasnt supposed to on it (drugs and hot tub are a big NO NO)

I still plan on trying it.

@Parhelion any updates on how your trials have gone?

I learned that K can help foster Out of Body sensations.

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One has to be careful with Ketamine as one can OD on it and many people also find it addictive. Combining it with buprenorphine (for opioid addiction) was not a good idea either. Don’t get me wrong, it can be a good treatment for depression, but it has to be used and monitored correctly. If you want to read a wild tale of Ketamine addiction, read “The Scientist” by John Lily, MD. Lily was quite a wild researcher back in the 60’s who researched everything from dolphins (he famously gave dolphins LSD), to sensory deprivation tanks (including taking LSD in these tanks), to ketamine. The movie “The Day of the Dolphin” is somewhat based on his dolphin research. In this book, “The Scientist” he recounts his period of researching ketamine on himself and becoming seriously addicted to it. He was shooting up with syrynges of ketamine. This would lead him into intense out of body experiences in which he would travel into higher realms (astral planes?) in which he would go on wild adventures, meet various beings, etc. But then he would come down and would want to know what was going to happen next with his adventure in the higher plane. So he would shoot up again on ketamine, find himself in a completely different realm and adventure, then come down, and again want to shoot up again. He would do this for days without hardly eating or sleeping, as the ordinairy waking state was so boring compared to these wild astral plane adventures. It almost killed him, but fortunately he eventually came to his senses and with some difficulty got off of the stuff before it killed him.
Ketamine is in a very different class of drugs than other psychedelics. I don’t know of any other psychedelics that can be this addictive, although I have heard of people getting hooked on MDMA (but rarely). IV use is obviously much more addictive and hazardous than lozanges, but one could get addicted to lozanges also if not used as prescribed.

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Good to hear that it is a good medicine for you, as it is for so many other folks when used appropriately as prescribed. One possibility might be to use blindfolds if you want to take it earlier in the day.

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@Parhelion have you tried psilocybin before?

If so, how did it compare to your ketamine experiences with your eyes closed?

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@_Nighthawk999 I’ve tried both psilocybin and ketamine (lozange or insufflated powder).
For me psilocybin is much more visual, especially in terms of fractal mandala like patterns. I’ve heard that high dose IV ketamine can be very visual but different than psilocybin but never had an opportunity to try that. There are clinics where you can do that but I think most of them require a depression or anxiety diagnosis.

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I greatly appreciate your wisdom and experience with this sacred medicine.

Have you ever tried to mildly control the trip? Kind of like lucid dreaming, letting your intention, and thought s every so often make images that guide the trip imagery, and then surrendering to it?

I agree with you that it will be a game changer in the industry.

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No, not other than setting an intention at the beginning regarding what I’m wanting healing and guidance about. Sometimes the trip will go in that direction and sometimes it takes you to somewhere that is beyond what the ego could have asked for or imagined. I don’t try to control lucid dreams either. I haven’t yet started becoming lucid that often, but when I do, I try to just consciously interact with the dream and let the dream teach and guide me. The ego is a control freak. The idea is to surrender. If you attend medicine ceremonies that are facilitated by experienced people, surrender is highly recommended by the guides.

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I would say test this theory out, and see what is revealed, but you said you stopped.

I wonder if it may be a way to help stimulate and practice for lucid dreaming, or more importantly dream yoga?

That state of mind is really surreal and powerful, it reminds me of like a super vivid dream. Why not try to change a mountain into a mole, or transform yourself into a Deity? Or visualize yourself on Neptune, and let it play out?

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I suppose you could do that if you like. But to me it seems more like a trivial game of the ego trying to exert control. And psychedlic experiences are harder to control in that way based on my experience. Why control the dream? Just to play around? But I’m no expert in Tibetan dream yoga. Perhaps that is done to teach about the illusory nature of consciousness? My own dreamwork background is more Jungian. Jung would do what he called “active imagination” where he dialogued with dream characters to learn more about them and what aspects of his psyche they represent. He did this in the waking state through visualization. Asking questions of dream characters whether in lucid dreams or psychedelic trips can be interesting in terms of what answers or teachings they give. A few years ago I asked a dream character in a lucid dream about why we incarnate on earth and I got a very interesting answer! I’m actually thinking about starting a whole separate thread about this lucid dream and what he told me.

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