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Conscious Dreaming: A Spiritual Path for Everyday Life

  • Conscious Dreaming: A Spiritual Path for Everyday Life
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no, I hadn’t noticed…
why did you mention that?

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because of the solar eclipse

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you have a very strong connection with Robert Moss… AMAZING! :star_struck:

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Can you give any info about Robert Moss and this book in contrast to existing literature: does he bring new perspectives, new ideas for practice, what topics does the book cover, etc?

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I was on a dream journey with him last year and right on the first class he was saying to more than 150 people online from all over the world ā€œYou are all dead… to be here you had to die in another realmā€ he’s indeed a new perspectives bringer AND practitioner. He walks his talks and the people I had contact with in this journey, myself included, were experiencing even more synchronicities than usual. He is able of uplifting energies being very much connected with the whole group. He is a mystic with a library with more than 14.000 books, most of them in the area of dreams. Most remarkable even, he has kept his dream journals for at least the last 30 or 40 years.

Robert is VERY BOLD and at service, connected with the multiverse as he calls it. He is also a shaman, bringing his work to a very profound place where people can heal old wounds, discover new dimensions and transcend themselves.

He has a heart the size of the universe - he’s involved in several movements world wide to liberate and empower women and men of all races. He is always available when I write to him (this is his email: mossdreams@gmail.com), or introduce him to some friends.

One of the brightest ideas of his practice is quite simple and SO effective, being part of what he calls ā€œActive Dreaming Toolkitā€ - for Robert, there is no distinction between dream worlds. Life on this planet is a dream world for him and he lives it in this way. He is a surf rider of liminal states like I’ve never seen before!
He has published more than ten books…
perhaps you - @NightHawk999 can share some words here about the book you posted in particular? I do think he shares in that book about these tools of Active Dreaming.

The only book I have of him is ā€œHere, everything is dreamingā€, and it’s full of pearls ā€œhiddenā€ in his stories and poems.

Here’s his blog… you might get a glimpse of this man’s work of a lifetime dedicated to dreams:

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Thanks I’ll definitely check that out. I’m always interested in adding tools to the toolkit!

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I will let you know when I finish it, have not opened it yet, but I think it may be the one that AH recomends of RM.

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I would consider RM the opposite of Daniel Love, much more spiritual and a mystic. It might be too much for some people, I love his boldness and energy and intelligence. @Dream_Hacker : RM interview with AH is worth your time to listen too before reading his books as well.

You make me want to contact him now lol.

Loved his book Active Dreaming.

@Dream_Hacker What I like so much about RM is that he puts deep importance on the dreams themselves.

It is a powerful way to stay motivated with dream life, regardless of # of lucidity events. Brilliant, and it made me appreciate dreams much more.

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Agree, but that’s what many people want . . .

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I’ve now looked at some excerpts of RM books, and while I find the approach interesting, his categorical dismissal of ā€œlucid dreamingā€ (and his equating it solely with ā€œdream controlā€, which he characterizes as bringing the waking ego in to the dream) is a big turn-off. Anyone who’s spent any time in lucid dreaming knows that it’s more about ā€œsteering the shipā€ as opposed to ā€œcontrolling the ocean.ā€

Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche writes:

There is no danger of disrupting something important when we change our dreams. All we disrupt is our ignorance.

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he doesnt, watch the interview with AH, robert says regular dreams can be as important as LDs

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go go go! :star_struck: you can say you are my friend, beloved :rose: … or, if one day you have a REAL impulse of doing so, and wish me to introduce you to him, just let me know :brown_heart:

I’m sure he would also love to hear about this… :dolphin:

I think ā€œoppositeā€ is a bit too much… it’s just that they play differently… but both enjoy playing VERY much :brown_heart:

I invite you, in general, but very particularly to RM’s work, to seeing beyond the obvious :star_struck: Ah, and also remember that he’s very BOLD - which can be provocative in some cases… :rose: also to touch and make you think! And check/expand your limits :heart_eyes:

perhaps this can inspire you:
" When Taking a Happy Afterlife Pill, Don’t Forget the Yak Butter

Tibetan high magic is famous for the practice of phowa or ā€œtransfer of consciousnessā€™ā€: leaving the body by a determined channel with a certain destination. It is one of the six essential dharmas expounded by Gampopa. Conducted at a certain level, with the necessary preparation, it might shoot you from this world to one of the ā€œpure landsā€, the paradises of the Buddhas. Conducted on your behalf by an adept, it might not get you that high but offers a shortcut that may appeal.

ā€œSome masters give consciousness transference pills. Such a pill should be prepared by a man from a ā€˜good family’. He washes his hands, mixes the pill with cow or yak butter and presses it upon the crown of the head. This should be done before anyone has touched the body. When such pills are unavailable and the transference is performed by a spiritual master, the first person to touch the corpse after the transference is over should tug at the hair on the crown before handling the body. This helps the consciousness to leave from the crown.ā€

-Thubten Sangay, ā€œTibetan Ritual for the Dead.ā€ Originally published in Tibetan Medicine, no. 7, 1984. Reprinted in The Tibet Journal, 36 (3), 2011 p.43…"

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It is a pretty regular thread running through his books. I see that RM values non-lucids highly. As do I. I think LDs where one does influence control can also lead to incredible insights. After all, the entire practice of dream yoga is based around this.

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from my experience, I would not call it control - I would explain it like this:
I connect with a possibility, feel it in the heart, it touches me and I decide to make a lucidity dream plan which manifests exactly in a LD. This happens because there was:

  1. connection with the whole
  2. connection to my heart
  3. it manifests because it’s for a higher good

So, in fact, I was not controlling anything… just receiving possibilities, checking with the heart and then ā€œmagicā€ - it all happens as it was supposed to. I also say this about intuition… When we see things ahead, such as premonitory dreams, we are simply a vessel for that to be possible. Someone who does not have this perception might think that I control things, but I sure don’t.

What RM is referring to (I think), is to those people who use LD for ego purposes.

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This has been the primary focus of my practice over the last couple weeks. I’ve had success in dream yoga practicing by myself but Andrew recommended an empowerment when to improve the depth to practice. I read that phowa empowerments can be given to any level practicioner, simply stated, because we all die.

I have not been able to find a local monastery to do one yet but there are some available online.

Don’t shrug off online empowerments, I believe they are as powerful as you are willing to accept. I went into an online empowerment last night with an open heard and I had the weirdest experience of my entire life while listening to to it. Completely unexplainable and I don’t plan on even attempting to explain what happen to anyone. It left me in a confused state of bliss and just said thank you Tara and Guru Rinpoche :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:.

https://gardrolma.org/the-precious-shitro-empowerment-and-phowa-transmission/

I am watching that next, hopefully it helps with phowa! :sparkling_heart::v:

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I’ve done a one day phowa empowerment online (Garchen Rinpoche) as well as a five day phowa retreat with Phakchok Rinpoche and have seen a couple of others online. The difference is predictable for the time and effort that you put into it, yet many caution, including Andrew Holececk, that practicing phowa without proper safe guards can be problematic. Paraphrasing Phakchok Rinpoche, it’s Plan B, if your nature of mind doesn’t kick in at the time of death.

Many people wonder if there is enough time and awareness at the time of death to actually perform phowa, or what problems may arise if you do it too soon. I remember Andrew once answering a question about dying in an accident, responding that if your last thought is ā€œOh shit!ā€ you may well end up as a dung beetle in the next life. :upside_down_face:

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Yes I agree, but the main practice of DY is seeing beyond the illusions of reality, and I think Roberts Work supports this.

I deeply value LDs and DY dreams, but the most important and influencial dreams I have had have been non lucid, and I think this is something Robert is trying to highlight, all dreams can offer great value and insight.

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It’s all our mind. Just like the shadow that wants to be integrated all dreams are giving us information, messages or signals. The more open we are, the subtler our receptors become.

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yes. excellent resume :rose:

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