I didn’t experience any nausea, but some people do. We were asked to fast for 6 hours prior to our ketamine journeys in order to decrease any possible problems with nausea. I’ve never experienced any nausea with psilocybin except for the last time I did it 2 summers ago. I did a species of psilocybin that I had less familiarity with - psilocybe cyenescens - and even though I only took 0.5 grams it was mind-blowingly strong, and I ended up getting nausea and even vomited at one point. The only other psychedelic that I’ve had nausea and vomiting with was ayahuasca.
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Thank you for this
Becacue 
s are starting to become more popular in the Zeitgeist, my guess is growers are turning to more potent species, which can be a reciepe for disaster if not careful.
I would highly recommend individuals avoid any other medications or even caffeine, 24-48 hours before trip.
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These cyenescens were not grown, they were gathered in the wild from a friend of a friend who is a mushroom expert. They are just an extremely strong species. I took only .5 grams and thought I was starting small. But they felt like 5 gr of cubensis (the species that is usually cultivated). But I agree, growers are growing stronger strains. Kind of like they did with cannabis.
Since that trip I decided to take a break from psychedelics and focus more on my meditation practice, which has been good. I also have high blood pressure so have to be cautious. At the ketamine retreat we had medical professionals who monitored blood pressure and they gave me something to keep my blood pressure down.
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Did you take in tea form, or all natural?
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No I just ate them. I was on a solo hike in the Oregon cascades and thought that it was going to be a mellow hike into a lake. But it hit me like a ton of bricks, so I didn’t make it to the lake. I just found a place a few yards off the trail in the woods and rode it out. One of the most intense trips of my life! Some might call it a “bad trip” but I would call it a learning trip. I just meditated and journalled and rode it out. I was given the message then to stop doing psychedelics for a while and focus more on my meditation practice, so that’s what I’ve been doing. The day before I did 1.5 grams of cubensis and just sat by a river and had a very mellow time. These cyenescens kicked my butt! The only psychedelics I’ve done since then has been cannabis (which I use mindfully as a psychedelic on occasion) and this ketamine retreat.
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I cant vouch for the validity of this, but I have heard the tea format is far less harsh, and has far less turbulence for trips. But difficult to gage concentrations that way.
Absolutely, I would recommend extreme caution or avoidance all together for anyone with cardiovascular issues. If one decides to pull the trigger and take the risk, make sure access to health care and a trip sitter are near by.
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I didn’t experience OBE’s with ketamine but some of the folks in the retreat did.
Also, I had a client a few years ago who went through a series of IV ketamine journeys supervised by a holistic psychiatrist for his severe social anxiety. He experienced some intense out of body journeys into higher realms that gave him a different perspective on who we was from a higher perspective. It also cured his social anxiety (or at least greatly decreased it to the point where he could begin to function in the world). There is an interesting account by John Lily, MD in his book “The Scientist” where he went through a period of heavy IV ketamine use in the 60’s. . He experienced out of body adventures in higher realms. The only problem is that he got seriously addicted to these adventures and had to quit. Ketamine can be addictive to some folks, so you have to be careful with it. (He was frequently shooting himself up with it, which I wouldn’t recommend).
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Wonder if a psychedelic retreat could ever be a thing in Canada for the forum 
legally dosing with people here would be - 
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Thank you for letting me know about this.
Have heard of similar experiences from others. Also heard K has much less side effects than s
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@mbready. I don’t know about Canada- mushrooms & other psychedelics are not yet legal in Canada, although you can buy shrooms in Vancouver because the law just isn’t enforced there.
You could do it in Colorado or Oregon if you worked with a licensed psilocybin service center. Or in Jamaica. There are a number of folks that offer psilocybin retreats there.
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@NightHawk999 Yeah, K doesn’t have the anxious feeling that many get when shrooms are coming on. It has a relaxing effect on the body and at higher doses you go completely out of body. Just don’t do it in a hot tub like Matthew Perry did!
Sidenote: The retreat center in California where I did my recent ketamine retreat closed their hot tub while we were there. The rumor was that their liability insurance company did not want us to have any hot tub “accidents”. (Like we were all just partying around with special K. LOL)
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Lol, no doubt!
Makes sense to me. Extreme heat and cold can be death traps for these potent medicines.
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Nah. It would have been fine. The medicine wore off after a couple of hours (while we were being observed). It’s not like we were just going around shooting up Special K any time of the day or night. We were not even supposed to be drinking alcohol or smoking pot at this retreat. They were just being paranoid because of the Matthew Perry death. In his case, his doctor was being very irresponsible and supplying him with way more ketamine than he should have been taking - just basically enabling his addiction. Unfortunately he took way too much, went into a “K-hole” in the hot tub and drowned.
The standard guidelines for ketamine therapy is that the patient is supposed to be observed while they do the ketamine, whether through lozange (this is now often done on telehealth) or IM or IV, or through “Spravato” nasal spray. You don’t just give them a bunch of ketamine and send them on their merry way (which was what Perry’s doc apparently did).
Also, Elon Musk talks about having a prescription for ketamine and their are reports that he’s high much of the time. Makes me wonder if he also has an unethical enabling doctor. Seems like the rich and famous have doctors that often bend the rules.
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Are you telling me there are doctors in this world who break the Hippocratic Oath!?!?!?!?!?!
Superhero Geniuses dont have to play by the rules, as long as they are helping humanity, and removing as much pain and suffering from the world as possible.
Don Lemon got up in Elon’s shit over this.
Pretty disgusting if you ask me 
Insects love to find fault where there is none:
Why Elon Musk uses Ketamine - The Don Lemon Show
“I have a lot of work”
“not mentally acute”
16 hours day, 7 days a week
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How Psilocybin Can Rewire Our Brain, Its Therapeutic Benefits & Its Risks | Huberman Lab Podcast
Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris: The Science of Psychedelics for Mental Health | Huberman Lab Podcast
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Yes, this 2nd Dosed movie is great - dealing with cancer treatment.
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Yes. It’s the S-enantiomer of ketamine (for you chemistry nerds). It’s been approved since 2019 but you originally had to take it with another antidepressant. This FDA approval allows it to be used on it’s own. I believe that you have to go into a clinic periodically and be observed for a period of time while you take your dose, in order to prevent abuse, addiction, driving while high, etc.
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Joe Rogan interviews former Texas Governor Rick Perry and Bryan Hubbard from Kentucky on using ibogaine with vets to heal PTSD and traumatic brain injury. They see hope that members of the Trump Administration may get these kinds of treatments (or at least more research) approved. I would be happy if this were the case, even though politically I’m closer to Bernie Sanders than I am to Trump. I heard Rick Perry as one of the keynote speakers at the MAPS Conference in Denver two summers ago speaking about MDMA to treat PTSD in vets. I also saw Bryan Hubbard at the same conference speaking about getting ibogaine approved to treat opioid addiction in Kentucky (I believe he’s a legislator from Kentucky) but unfortunately the folks making money off of methadone and suboxone programs had it quashed.
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