Iāve just read Mark Gurriaranās books āThe Illusion of Methodā (TIOM) and āAstral Projection Without Tearsā (APWT). In TIOM he describes his thinking and journey with his own OBE practice where he goes from using common methods to not using any methods at all (basically). He motivates his theories well. And from everything Iāve read, his approach (based around setting intent and then forgetting it, completely letting go, and allowing the process unfold on its own) is also supported by authors like TWR in TYoDaS (āthe secret teaching is ā relaxā). In APWT he describes a simple OBE practice based on his conclusions from TIOM, and gives ample support for his suggestions.
I havenāt had an OBE yet, itās not something Iāve really tried, but this approach appeals to me for LDs, so I think Iām going to give it a go for OBEs as well.
The books are short, inexpensive, to the point, and well-written IMO. Well worth reading. It certainly opened my eyes about a number of important topics in approaching LD practice.
Neither have I but have heard it talked about in several LD books.
Some authors consider these just hyper lucid dreams.
Some say they are totally legitimate, and possible. And can be proven with confirmation from the outside world (seeing a pair of shoes on a neighbors roof)
Others say the are a combination of the above 2.
I believe they are 100% real experiences, and it is possible, based off of what I have read in many religious traditions.
"I used to do sleep paralysis induction in order to get a chance to OBE. I started doing this as a teenager. What I did is Iād fall asleep prepped with my mind set on being straight forward with this process as Iād wake up. So Iāll wake up with my eyes kept closed, right away Iāll close my mind and stay relaxed and completely still while awaiting sleep paralysis to in-full take over my body. It wont take long, but seconds is all it takes.
Once in sleep paralysis I would then continue by as I remember it, pulling carefully out of my body, as a spirit. The spirit, for me, will always need to be pulled out of the body using a method to release from the connection between body and spirit that works. There are many.
Iād envision my movements as Iād escape body. At that same time what Iād be focusing on is making cautionary movements, trying not to wake myself up as that may happen, and can happen with any irrational jerk, or quick and hard movement, or anything that is all-of-the-sudden. If you do not follow what I am telling you then this will not work, my method is followed to the T when I do this every time.
I was envisioning every move in full detail trying to make my spirit do it by itself with just the power of my thoughts, though that wouldnāt be it. To add to that, Iād make slight, time preserving moves. That was as I was attempting at causing a roll with my spirit from on to off of the side of the bed in the other realm of dreams. This is one way that works for me best to this day.
Your spirit will pull back into your connection to your body, but fight this. Donāt let it pull you back. Instead you have to pull outwards to the right or left to get yourself into a rolling motion in spirit. By the power of your imagination as well as the rest of this method, everything added up, you have a chance following through to make this happen. Take it from the person who made this whole method from scratch, and with years of effort put into bettering the way I practice it. Iāve grown accustomed myself.
Thank you for sharing this post, and your methodology for doing AP.
I have not been able to relax and bring awareness into sleep deep enough to consciously experience sleep paralysis, but now I have a new goal to shoot for.
I think the excellent Yoga Nidra videos on this site will help tremendously!
I generally always like to think āanythingās possible.ā Just the fact that we are conscious beings on a ball of dust hurtling through the infinity of space in one of potentially infinite universes, I think itās more than presumptuous to declare what is and is not ārealā, āpossible,ā etc., especially when there are a lot of people who have had both LDs and OBE, and say that they are not the same. Compared to all that there is to know, Iām pretty sure we know next to nothing :).
I look forward to finding out for myself!
After reading Gurriaranās works, and based on my own experiences, I think the most important skills to develop are āletting go,ā and āmind-wanderingā (the thing that leads to the body falling asleep).
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Robert Monroe popularized the terms OBE and OOBE, and Iāve experienced many of the phenomena he describes in his first book. His attention to detail is the best Iāve read when it comes to OBE or what some would call astral traveling.
Monroe also had a profound realization about how astral realms can connect to waking life. I saved this section from his book because of the significance and impact this moment must have had on him, being a pioneer in the field.
There are many examples in Monroeās work where he describes visiting the deceased relatives of close friends who had recently passed. These people had no belief in OBEs or astral realms so he did not share the experience with them, but that didnāt stop him from meticulously documenting these experiences in his book, noting the synchronicities that often followed his OBEs.
For instance, he once observed a much younger version of a person who recently passed that he did not directly know in an OBE. He was unaware that the individual had passed away or what they looked like in their youth. Later, when visiting with the persons relative he saw a photograph on a mantle which validated the accuracy of his experience.
The coolest part of his book is that you can feel his full journey, from being confused about the largely unknown phenomena at the time to slowly understanding that these realms are very real.
Itās also important to distinguish between lucid dreaming, astral projection, and OBEs. While some consider these terms interchangeable, believing they represent the same phenomenon, others see them as distinct experiences with unique characteristics. My personal belief aligns with the view that they can be used interchangeably and are essentially the same.
yes. indeed. this is what my almost daily practice of Astral Projection is about.
40 minutes of each day I do this, listening to an audio meditation from the āRobert Monroe Instituteā. You can access it for free in a free āMind Valleyā account - itās one of their free meditations.
The most enjoyable part of this meditation is that I have discovered what in Buddhism is called āhidden bodiesā through it! Being in the body is the most amazing experience we can have. Being TOTALLY in the body, allows us to feel our subtle/energetic body. And from there, all experiences of astral projection can happen: the energetic body moving + the mind going to the astral plane, and so on!
We all experience OBEs unconsciously, every night
this is the coolest way of confirming itās an astral projection journey - also an important distinction for you to know if you are dreaming lucid or on an astral projection journey.
I have had contact with two masters who do it consciously. One of them, I had the privilege of seeing his astral body visiting me. When I saw him physically the day after I talked about it with him, and he replied āI like the way you talk about itā. I was very peaceful, direct and clear.
my epic teacher on this topis Jade Shaw, also does this.
yes yes, indeed. there is much in this world happening that is not being shared - that doesnāt mean itās not happeningā¦
indeedā¦ we are a miracle!!!
yesā¦ this is the BEST!
yes, and Jade Shaw, in my humble opinion is one of the people in this world who can do this.
She also comments that she does not Astral Project that muchā¦ because itās such a sacred experience. One of her first experiences was to visit her father who had died and that was highly HEALING - this is the best thing you can receive from LD, OBEs and Astral Projectionā¦ understanding and healing of the heart.
One of my most amazing Lucid Dreams came from the intention to do an Astral Projection to visit my sonā¦ I did not succeed to do so, but on that night I met him in a dream, realized it was a dream and sang what Robert Moss calls a āWing Songāā¦ so one thing that I share many times is that, the most important is the intention, not the technique. In this way we keep open for what the universe wnats to deliver us!..
Thank you so much for these references! Could you please link the actual audio youāre referencing, Iāve been poking around on the mindvalley site but canāt seem to find it?
I was also looking here at the PC and could not find it. But hereās the link from my cell phone: https://mindvalley.page.link/mkjK
I tried to open it on my pc and there was an error, but when I open it on my cell phone, it works!
Soon (whenever that means) I will have a Portuguese improved version of it, with my voice and the background of a musician friend. When itās ready, I will share it here. We are also considering doing the English version but still did not naturally happen.