Craving for dream and sleep improvement

This is really good advice Lucy. The amount that we suffer is directly proportionate to how ‘real’ we believe the stimulus to be.

Meaning the more that you believe that you have no control over these Ghosts in your life, the less control you will have over making them stop appearing.

What message do you believe in your heart that these Ghosts are trying to tell you?

From what little I know about you and your circumstances, I believe they are trying to teach you to become more in control of your internal reactions (fear, loss of control, anxiety).

When you are upset or fearful, how long does it take for that feeling to go away?

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Dear NightHawk999,
thank you very much for your interest and effort.
The problem is, that all the societies in the world have the same shadows and dark sides like me. So it has usually no good results to speak concrete. If they know my background, also from people come similar attacks, with words and intrigues. My teacher said to one situation, its a thing of perception. Nobody can change the perception with words. So, there is no benefit to speak. In other situations he told, i should speak a lot over. But nobody speaks about those topics except of special areas. There is a silence agreement in society. Most people keep distance from me after knowing the background. I know all this therapy possibilities. But this is not workable for me.
Kalu Rinpoche said, the dream practice should be banned, because it is against the privacy law :face_with_hand_over_mouth:
But now i will try to make every evening the guided sleep yoga practice and invite the ghosts. :smiling_imp:
Maybe now the time is to dive in ans see :bat:

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@Lucy Learning to practice Chöd can help you. It has the advantage that you do it while awake, so you are not dependent on becoming lucid in a dream.
It is a beautiful, powerful practice dealing directly with ghosts. It takes some time, if you want to learn the full practice including drumming and bell, but there are traditional simplified versions where you just do the visualization and the text without the instruments.
The visualization is the absolute most important point anyway. As a yogi I met once confirmed, it is by visualization that communication is happening. By practicing Chöd you are giving up fears and attachments and equalize karmic disturbances in a wholesome way.


Dear Khyungmar,
yes, you are right. But i have toooo much commitments, damzigs. 1 Sadhana, Six-fold GuruYoga and a lot of Mantras. Chöd will be to much. Sadly :sleepy:
But i agree with Tenzin WangyalRinpoche. He said, it is not a problem, if things come out, its a problem, if things NOT come out

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I would be very interested in hearing about your background and your life if you are willing to share.

I know it may be difficult to talk about, or too personal, so also know that I respect your privacy.

Sometimes it does help to share tough topics in an anonymous community like this, or is a group setting, like AA (alcoholics anonymous). They may have an anonymous group in your area for people that are suffering the same or similar trauma(s) that you are dealing with. There may also be a Facebook group, but that is not as anonymous, you may have to create a fake account for that.

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Do you have any links, books, or online resources you can recommend that explain in detail how to do the Chod practices?

I am very interested in learning more about it.


@NightHawk999 Actually, you can not learn Chöd from a book. Several tibetan buddhist schools and Yungdrung Bön have their own Chöd traditions. In my understanding, learning Chöd is definitely in the frame of one of these traditions, since they all have their individual traditional sadhanas (as in ritual meditation practice texts, visualisation, deities, melodies etc.), so I don’t believe that there is some secular form.
Lama Tsultrim Allione teaches a more modern form described in the book “Feeding Your Demons: Ancient Wisdom for Resolving Inner Conflict” although this simplified practice is still based in her tradition.

Chöd, in my experience, is difficult to categorize - imo Chöd it is all of the below:
it is a spiritual practice of compassion, a visualisation practice, a symbolic body offering, a practice of cutting fears, aversions and attachments, a tantric practice where one becomes the female enlightened deity/wisdom energy, an artful form of expression, an energetic exchange with wild energies … both tantra and dzogchen at the same time, a healing and pacification practice, a spiritual path, a teaching of emptiness and compassion…

There are many videos on youtube; here is one to get an impression, from Geshe Gyatso Choekhortshang of the Yungdrung Bön tradition from who I received the teaching and the transmission:


Thank you for this explanation. Do most Buddhist monks teach this practice? Is it a universal teaching in Buddhism, or something specific to different sects, or only available to the masters?

Can you give a detailed description of the visualization techniques employed while chanting and drumming?

The the visualization practices very complex? How long do they take to learn.

How long does it take to learn the full Chod practice in completion?

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As far as I know, Chöd is mainly practiced by followers of Yungdrung Bön, Nyingma and Kagyü traditions, but there may be others.
It is a yogic practice, i.e. a practicioner of Chöd learns and applies the practice as a Yogi; traditionally Chödpas would wander around and visit places of power such as charnel grounds, etc. and pacify the wild energies/spritis found there. As with any practice, there are of course practictioners who have attained a high realisation with the effect that their practice has great strength, but Chöd is not only available to masters. It is a spiritual practice and the Yogi / the Yogini grows with it.

I can give a rough description of the visualisation employed while chanting and drumming, but as a beginner practicioner myself, I caution you that this is only my personal understanding possibly prone to error. Also, all what I can share here at your request can be found publicly… Chöd must be learned from an authorized authentic teacher and is taught differently in different traditions.

The Chöd sadhana “Laughter of the Khandros” is divided into several sections and one could say that it is actually a teaching being sung and given to the spirits and also repeated to oneself.
In this first part, one recalls that “the spirits and demons appearing here, are nothing other than the self-arising energetic display of the base of all, dissolving in the state of non-dual wisdom”. (Explanations of this view should be given by a teacher). One further recalls that one’s ego is of the same empty nature. One connects to the non-dual state of emptiness and bliss.
One goes on to supplicate the compassionate Great Mother Emptiness and takes refuge with her, reminding oneself that that there’s delusion and ignorance in oneself and that delusion and ignorance are the causes for the spritis doing harm. One generates bodhicitta and prays that all may be liberated.
Then, one praises and supplicates the Dakinis / Khandros and visualizes and invites them around the practictioner. One calls on specific dakinis and groups of dakinis and also on one’s root lama to receive support for the practice out of their compassion. One visualizes how the spirits are being subdued by the compassionate wisdom energy of the dakinis and are being led to “the non-dual space where wisdom and emptiness are one”. (Explanations should be given by a teacher)
Thereafter, one visualizes that one expels one’s consciousness out of one’s physcial body into the space above one’s crown chakra and merges with the Dakini and basically leaves one’s body behind.
Being the dakini, one visualizes cutting one’s physical body with a ritual knife into peaces and dissolving the body with rays of light into pure nectar and offering this nectar to the enlightened beings as well as the spirits. The “guests” partake and become satisfied, subdued and are ready to listen to the following part of the teaching. This is the so called “white feast”; the “Red Feast” is basically the same, with the difference that the body parts are not transformed into nectar but are directly offered to the wild spirits that have a taste for this. (so it is the non-vegetarian version)
After that, the calmed spirits are being given a teaching on the empty nature of phenomena and are being ajured to take refuge in the three jewels as well as to abstain from doing harm to sentient beings.
It is then sealed with a prayer that all beings will be liberated and a dedication of merit.

There are shorter and simpler forms (also longer ones) depending on which canon is taught/learned.

Some people (including myself at the very beginning) struggle with the idea that visualiszing such a “body offering” can be a wholesome, healing practice… Actually, it is. One is not harming one’s body or one’s energy. One is symbolically giving up that which is at the core of one’s ego - one’s attachment to one’s body. Energetically, one gives away one’s attachement and also the fear of losing something and has the opportunity to cut through to the empty nature of mind. (To be explained by a teacher).

Since I wanted to learn it traditionally, it took me about two years but I was not consistently learning every day. Actually I was quite lazy and had weeks on ends where I did not learn anything. I have chosen to approach the practice by first learning the tibetan text by heart, then overlaying the audio recording with the translated meaning and learning that too by heart. In parallel, I learned the drumming, but I decided to learn the bell later since it is quite diificult to coordinate drum and bell at the same time, while reciting the text and visualizing all at the same time.
The next steps are to improve the visualisation and have it become more effortless and stable and add the bell.
Don’t worry though, it is a great pleaseure at any stage and one can do the practice by “simply” reading of the paper and roughly visualizing, after one has received the teachings from a qualified teacher.
It is a beautiful practice, and it is not so much about doing some visualisatoin perfectly or not, but more about the energetic exchange and cutting through one’s ego.


This is an important point.


That is a really beautiful explanation. I really appreciate you taking the time to write it out in detail.

What is Bodhicitta?
What are the Dakinis/ Khandros?

That is very meaningful and powerful. Thank you for sharing that. It kind of reminds me of the reverse of when you do Communion in Church, or the practice of Transubstantiation, where Christians are reminded that Christ and the kingdom of God is within us all.

What are the 3 jewels?

I think if you had told me this a few years ago I would have struggled with it as well. But reading it now I am very deeply moved by it, and knowing the details of this practice now makes me want to learn it from a qualified teacher even more!

Thank you @KhyungMar , that was very very helpful. I got to believe it will be helpful for other members as well who are new or just starting their journeys.